Marcy, since we heard you in those Mozart roles last year, you’ve become a mother!
Yes, last September. Of course that’s been amazing. It’s really funny, people always say “It changes your life!” “It’s the best thing that will ever happen to you!” “You’ll live through your kid,” and I’m like, “Yeah, yeah, yeah...” But everything they say is true. Henry, my son, is so much like my husband and I, in some strange, funny ways.
And we, the Seattle Opera audience, know your husband, Brian Simmons...
That’s right, because he played the Sherriff in Porgy and Bess last summer.
So what is it Henry does that’s reminiscent of Brian and you?
He furrows his brow exactly the way Brian does. And a ten-month old baby furrowing his brow is hilarious. People say his eyes look like mine...when he smiles, they say he looks just like me. Also, and he’s like me in this: when Henry gets hungry, you need to feed him immediately, or he becomes very difficult to handle. My husband is a pro at this!
And do you sing to him?
I do. A friend was visiting the other day, and Henry was cranky, he needed to go down for a nap, and I was rocking him and singing...
What were you singing?
“Toora loora loora,” this Irish lullaby. And Ilga, my friend, thought it was funny because his feet, which were tense, like this [demonstrates], the second I started singing they went limp, his whole body relaxed, and he fell asleep! And she said, “But has he ever REALLY heard you sing?” And yes, first of all he heard me sing five operas in utero. And he heard me sing Donna Anna again this summer, and heard me coaching Turandot a bunch. He listens very acutely to me, when I’m singing, he focuses, ‘vwoop!’ [demonstrates] and smiles...
Yes, very good audience. So long as he’s well-fed.
Elise Bakketun, photo
You can hear a brief clip of Marcy Stonikas singing Turandot HERE.
Just like all of us. Now here at Seattle Opera we've got you back-to-back singing Turandot and Leonore in Fidelio, both huge roles, and quite different. What’s most important about the difference, to you?
The tessitura, the range of notes where your voice will live all night, is quite different, so you have to warm up a bit differently. I don’t have to go up to a high C a bunch of times for Leonore, like I do for Turandot. But I do have to sing down, in my middle voice, a lot for that role. So I don’t work on them on the same day—I don’t want to warm my voice down, if I’m singing Turandot, and I don’t want to get things too high, if I’m singing Leonore. But technically, you sing everything with the same instrument: I breathe the same way, I approach the notes the same way...
The orchestras are quite different: Beethoven’s orchestra is not as noisy as this humongous Turandot orchestra. Does that affect your work?
No...I don’t think about it that much until I’m with the orchestra, to tell the truth.
Both these roles are considered big, hochdramatisch, ‘laser-soprano’ roles, unlike, say, the lighter Mozart roles you’ve sung for us. But it’s the same game, so far as you’re concerned?
Yes, the idea with singing dramatic soprano roles is keeping the beauty you’ve (hopefully) attained singing Donna Anna, or more lyric things. People expect you just to be loud, singing these roles, but you take it to the next level if you can make it sound pretty at the same time. That’s my goal.
Who are your favorite dramatic sopranos?
Jane Eaglen is my teacher, I idolize her; Nilsson, obviously, who’s amazing and I listen to her every recording like crazy; I love Christine Brewer, and Deborah Voigt...
People who are able to sing with the requisite size of voice, the royal majesty for these roles, and also still be beautiful.
I think so. That’s what makes me want to listen to them.
Chris Bennion, photo
What roles will you be singing in five years? We heard a young dramatic soprano here not long ago as Isolde...
Seattle Opera is a big house for such a challenging role. I probably won’t be ready for that so soon.
Have you looked at it?
I’ve performed Isolde’s “Liebestod” before, with orchestra. But that’s at the very end of Tristan und Isolde. You have to be able to sing straight for 2 ½ hours before that! And there’s that long love duet, it’s crazy, depending on the conductor it can be 40 minutes or so...
The part where Jane Eaglen absolutely used to devastate me wasn’t even the “Liebestod,” it was the passage right before that, the “Klage,” where she laments her lover’s death, you know, “How could you leave me here like this?”
Oh, I know. When I was in college my best friend and I traveled six hours from Oberlin, Ohio to Chicago to hear Jane Eaglen and Ben Heppner sing that opera, it was a necessity.
And other roles you’ve got your sights set on?
There will be Wagner: Senta, Elisabeth...
Have you been learning all those arias?
I know them...but I don’t necessarily know the entire the role. Some things don’t need to be rushed into. But the role of Sieglinde, I would learn the whole role right now.
Not just the two arias, “Der Männer Sippe” and “Du bist der Lenz.”
Yes, those I already know. I’d be happy to learn the rest of the role, because I could sing it today. But Elektra? That will have to wait. Salome, maybe, but Elektra, Isolde, Brünnhilde...for those I would wait.
And Die Frau ohne Schatten?
I would do the Empress—not the Dyer’s Wife—in the next five years.
We’re talking about a lot of Wagner and Strauss roles; anything else you’re looking forward to?
I’m happy to work; the goal is to have constant work. I hope that happens, but with these big operas it’s challenging, given the economy.
Elise Bakketun, photo
What is on Turandot’s mind at the beginning of the opera? When you come out to condemn the Prince of Persia to death, you don’t have any lines...what are you thinking in that scene?
At the beginning she’s annoyed that this 14, 15 year-old kid, the Prince of Persia, has come to bother her, and had the nerve to think that he could be the Emperor and answer these riddles correctly. You know, Turandot has a difficult position in society: as the Emperor’s daughter she’s a vessel, not even a real person. She has to marry the next Emperor, that’s her main function.
Elise Bakketun, photo
And as a result she resents the Prince of Persia.
Yes, she resents the fact that she has to cut off his head. It’s not that she enjoys it. I really don’t think she enjoys the consequences of these people not knowing the answers to the riddles. It’s a double-edged sword. Of course she doesn’t want to be with someone who she doesn’t want to be with; but she it’s not that she likes killing people.
How did this situation even get set up? Did you figure out the backstory?
Good question. My father says, “Un giuramento atroce mi constringue...” (An atrocious oath constrains me).
Personally, my theory is you danced the Dance of Seven Veils for your father the Emperor, Peter Kazaras, but first made him promise he’d give you whatever you wanted: “If I do this you’ll sign this document that says I can cut off any guy’s head?”
That’s a different opera.
But the point is, it’s like Brünnhilde on the rock surrounded by fire. This set-up with the riddles was supposed to protect Turandot. There wasn’t supposed to be this flood of idiots attracted by the challenge...it was supposed to scare them off, and it doesn’t seem to be working.
Clearly it’s not working, they’re attracted, like moths to a light. Maybe the Emperor just took pity on me because I’m his daughter. I probably said to him, “Come on, dad, seriously...I’m not going to marry just some yahoo who walks in off the street. We have to set it up so we know this person really deserves to be the next you.” Maybe I manipulated the situation a little...
You sang “O mio babbino caro” to him, wrapped your daddy around your little finger like that...
“Oh, daddy, come on, please!”
That little arietta I sing, after the riddle scene...
Oh, you’re right!
I’m totally whining there. That’s my “O mio babbino caro” moment.
That’s interesting, I’d never noticed that before. Because that [Gianni Schicchi] was the last opera Puccini wrote, right before Turandot. Now, do you worry about the audience sympathizing with Turandot?
Yes. Before I got here that was one of my main concerns, because sometimes it’s not staged that way. The word that comes to mind is ‘Black Widow;’ that’s the way people often perceive her. I was hoping to make her 3-dimensional. So I was very happy when I came here and [Stage Director] Renaud [Doucet] said, “If she’s not 3-dimensional, not sympathetic, not a real person, then what’s the point?” I completely agree, and I was so grateful to hear that from him...I breathed a big sigh of relief, because I didn’t know how I was going to do it. This is my first time singing this part. So now, every other time, even if I’m directed differently, I can know in my mind where she’s coming from.
When you say ‘3-dimensional,’ or ‘not a real person,’ what is it about Turandots you’ve seen before that hasn’t connected?
She’s just evil! Manipulative, an ice queen and that’s it. I didn’t want to go there.
Elise Bakketun, photo
Why does she sing “In questa reggia” [the aria in which she explains her vendetta against men] to Calaf?
She always sings that. If you notice, Ping, Pang, and Pong yawn at the beginning of the aria—that’s because they’ve heard it so many times before. It’s the story she’s been told all her life, and she has so identified with Princess Lo-u-ling she’s kind of singing about herself. The need to protect herself, to maintain a strong boundary when all these princes come a-knockin’.
So what’s different about Calaf? And when do you realize that something is different about him?
First of all, he’s a good-looking man.
The Prince of Persia, in our production at least, looks very young...
I’m not marrying a 15 year-old kid. And secondly, I respect the fact that Calaf answered all these questions correctly. And there’s an element of compassion I see when he is outraged at Liù’s death. That’s the real transformation for Turandot. She certainly doesn’t like having to torture Liù, but she doesn’t have any other options at that point, except to give up control and, I don’t know, go enter a convent. She wants the answer, but certainly doesn’t mean for it to go so far. The hardest part is making sure that my reaction to Liù’s death is very strong, as strong as it needs to be. That’s where the character really becomes 3-dimensional.
Elise Bakketun, photo